From: Francesco Pietra (chiendarret_at_gmail.com)
Date: Sat Apr 03 2021 - 02:11:17 CDT

Hi Josh and James
I had already seen another checking the MD stability for the various
protonation states of HIS:

Histidine protonation and the activation of viral fusion proteins, Daniela
S. Mueller, Thorsten Kampmann, Ragothaman Yennamalli, Paul R. Young,
Bostjan Kobe
and Alan E. Mark, Biochemical Society Transactions (2008) Volume 36, part 1

With so many HISs as in my case, the combinations scale tremendously up and
one fears to miss the most important overall state.
There is a need of new software to assign the protonation states of HIS.
Also, if there is a fine tuning of HSE vs HSD, changeable during MD in
response to the interaction with the strongly negative electrostatics of
the nucleosides, things become complicated indeed.

But I'll read James' paper and I'll try the suggested Propka and DelphiPKa,
if not else to see the output.

What about the famous ROSETTA? Perhaps, however, it just uses Propka or
Delphi PKa.

thanks
francesco

On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 1:35 AM Vermaas, Josh <vermaasj_at_msu.edu> wrote:

> Admittedly, it has been a while since I looked at propka output in detail,
> but when I run regular proteins through pdb2pqr (
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://server.poissonboltzmann.org/__;!!DZ3fjg!tsqIFHVKijNxX_B1fbFz9jygI2pMsbnGZC8el-7pPOZ9fT3WcvW5y8s__expakzqDA$ ), it claims to use PropKa to assign
> charges, and the pqr files that come out definitely seem to have a made an
> attempt to choose between HSD and HSE, so I assume there is something in
> the PropKa output that it is using to determine histidine protonation. For
> the applications I was using it for, this level of detail has been fine,
> but JC is right, you can also just try all protonation state combinations
> and see what makes sense.
>
>
>
> -Josh
>
>
>
> *From: *"Gumbart, JC" <gumbart_at_physics.gatech.edu>
> *Date: *Friday, April 2, 2021 at 4:43 PM
> *To: *"Vermaas, Josh" <vermaasj_at_msu.edu>
> *Cc: *Francesco Pietra <chiendarret_at_gmail.com>, VMD Mailing List <
> vmd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu>, "henin_at_ibpc.fr" <henin_at_ibpc.fr>, "zhu13_at_llnl.gov" <
> zhu13_at_llnl.gov>
> *Subject: *Re: vmd-l: histidine protonation
>
>
>
> I’m not sure about DelphiPka, but Propka doesn’t tell you which nitrogen
> to put the proton on. We found running simulations of different states and
> checking their stability to be the most reliable (albeit more
> time-consuming) way to assign protons to histidines:
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2021/sc/d0sc04942e__;!!DZ3fjg!tsqIFHVKijNxX_B1fbFz9jygI2pMsbnGZC8el-7pPOZ9fT3WcvW5y8s__ezGw9GY5Q$
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2021/sc/d0sc04942e__;!!HXCxUKc!gvFYR3OpPr1fjuH1jJQ1NtrWmWfgzesHlw-bJ5W_WnlWlHNPuvfRXD9_XBJvm84$>
>
>
>
> We ran for 20 ns x 3, but you can often see a disruption sooner.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> JC
>
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2021, at 2:26 PM, Vermaas, Josh <vermaasj_at_msu.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Francesco,
>
>
>
> Propka (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/jensengroup/propka__;!!DZ3fjg!tsqIFHVKijNxX_B1fbFz9jygI2pMsbnGZC8el-7pPOZ9fT3WcvW5y8s__ex6jzpkeQ$
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/jensengroup/propka__;!!DZ3fjg!qLqvG5aUIsZadcvLdv2KKVS99Ta3HEX53KL7IdL8pM3CNQJ6bPm9CzlpqFDRl_oZJA$>)
> or DelphiPka (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/delphi001/DelphiPka__;!!DZ3fjg!tsqIFHVKijNxX_B1fbFz9jygI2pMsbnGZC8el-7pPOZ9fT3WcvW5y8s__ewlDojw5g$
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/delphi001/DelphiPka__;!!DZ3fjg!qLqvG5aUIsZadcvLdv2KKVS99Ta3HEX53KL7IdL8pM3CNQJ6bPm9CzlpqFCAQcr_zA$>)
> in principle should be able to handle non-protein ionizable groups.
>
>
>
> -Josh
>
>
>
> *From: *<owner-vmd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu> on behalf of Francesco Pietra <
> chiendarret_at_gmail.com>
> *Date: *Friday, April 2, 2021 at 1:36 PM
> *To: *VMD Mailing List <vmd-l_at_ks.uiuc.edu>, "henin_at_ibpc.fr" <henin_at_ibpc.fr>,
> "zhu13_at_llnl.gov" <zhu13_at_llnl.gov>
> *Subject: *vmd-l: histidine protonation
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> I am faced with the problem of establishing the protonation status of many
> histidine residues present in a nucleic acid-protein ensemble, both inside
> and on the periphery. All that in the framework of CHARMM36 for NAMD MD.
>
>
>
> Servers for direct assignment, like H++, are useless because of the
> presence of nucleic acids.
>
>
>
> I came across two interesting old posts by Zhu and Henin to this concern
> and wonder whether there is anything additionally useful for the above
> ensemble
>
> *From:* Fangqiang Zhu (*fzhu_at_ks.uiuc.edu*
> <fzhu_at_ks.uiuc.edu?Subject=Re:%20%20how%20can%20I%20know%20which%20type%20HIS%20belong%20to?(HSD,HSE,HSP)>
> )
> *Date:* Sat Nov 29 2003 - 00:22:03 CST
>
> *From:* Jérôme Hénin (*jerome.henin_at_uhp-nancy.fr*
> <jerome.henin_at_uhp-nancy.fr?Subject=Re:%20%20how%20can%20I%20know%20which%20type%20HIS%20belong%20to?(HSD,HSE,HSP)>
> )
> *Date:* Sat Nov 29 2003 - 04:37:30 CST
>
> Thanks for advice
>
> francesco pietra
>
>
>